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NU announces four-year program

Aoun says two co-op track will 'spread like wildfire'

By Jenna Duncan

News Staff

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Published: Thursday, December 10, 2009

Updated: Thursday, December 10, 2009

The term middler may become less-used on campus this fall. Starting in September, students will have a new option of doing a pre-structured four-year program with two full co-ops.
Currently, only 17 percent of students graduate in four years.
“There are a lot of details and specifics that will be worked out between now and September, but we wanted to announce this change now knowing there will be time for colleges and deans to develop [concrete plans],” said Mike Armini, vice president for marketing and communication.
To be able to complete the program, online courses will be incorporated though their costs are unknown, he said.
“NU’s already a leader in online education,” he said, citing the College of Professional Studies program. “Every university’s going to be doing more online classes going forward. ... It’s a matter of adding it to undergraduate curriculum.”
Using online courses wouldn’t affect the level of education students receive, Armini said, and the focus would still be in the classroom.
“The online education would be a component, but it will be a mix of online and classroom instruction, but the bulk of the undergraduate experience will be in the classroom,” he said. “Most of the students who do four years now do one co-op or no co-op. What we didn’t want was a lot of students getting through four years without benefiting from the full co-op experience.”
However, Kettil Cedercreutz, associate provost and director of co-op programs at the University of Cincinnati, the oldest co-op school in the country, told the Boston Globe that 18 months of co-op are necessary. According to studies by the school, students show the most growth in their final six months on the job.
“Other universities can make their own choices, but Northeastern has always charted its own path,” Armini said in response.
Making the four-year program a viable alternative has been in the works for years, he said.
“It’s something that’s been discussed for years at Northeastern, and the process was that the university leadership worked with the deans and provost’s office to work out the academics first,” he said.
The process included various members of the university, and since it has been ongoing it’s not shocking news, he said.
“There was research, different faculty members and deans were consulted throughout the process,” he said. “A lot of people on campus, particular people who are fairly observant, are not surprised about this.”
In an article in the Boston Globe yesterday, Northeastern President Joseph Aoun said he expects the program will catch on quickly.
“In many ways, these things are viral,” he said. “It’ll spread like wildfire.”
The College of Arts and Sciences doesn’t require any co-ops, except for two in the architecture program. The College of Business Administration requires two co-ops, while Bouvé College of Health Sciences requires one.
Some students said it would be a positive change to the university.
“I think it’s good because from giving tours, parents and students are usually surprised or turned off by the five years,” sophomore civil engineering major Ryan Gordon said. “It’s good for people who are looking to graduate in four years for graduate schools.”
Other students said they felt the four-year program wouldn’t make a difference.
“I think a lot of programs are individual with how many years it takes to graduate, so it won’t matter,” freshman math major Molly Bruckman said.
Though all programs are different, Armini said it was important for students to have another option.
“Students need more flexibility,” he said. “For some students, five years may be the right choice.”
–News Staff Sarah Dolan and Gal Tziperman Lotan contributed to this report.

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18 comments

Your name
Tue Jan 12 2010 21:08
Why is this such a big deal? It is already possible to graduate in four years, and I have even heard of someone graduating in three! The option is already there.
Alumni
Sun Dec 13 2009 13:19
In my days, we had more than 3 Co-ops !!!! (we were on Quarter system though). You make money, learn about working and enjoy the rest of your day. I can't imagine taking only 2 co-ops and taking online courses at the same time. It is not very good experience for what this is school is all about: Co-op. I chose NU because of the internsship experience plus it helps with the tuition. Freeland was the president at that time. I assume the new president wants to make NU as a 4 year traditional school with an IVY league Status... I am glad I graduated before all these changes that NU is going (is more prestigious though).
Maria
Sat Dec 12 2009 12:38
I graduated in 2008 and ABSOLUTELY LOVED doing 5 years! I had 5 job offers upon graduation, but I accepted my graduate school offer instead at an Ivy.. definitely because of my 18 months of work experience at NU.. I would never, ever, EVER want to lose that. it's what sets NU apart.

facebook: join "I was a Middler" if you were one, or if you support it!

dstinch
Fri Dec 11 2009 21:28
I chose NU because of the co-op program. I know the article is not saying that NU is not getting rid of it but it sounds like it is going in that direction. As an alumni, I will be highly disappointed if that happens.
Your name
Fri Dec 11 2009 19:56
I just wanted to take the time to comment because I was misquoted in this article. My name is Ryan Gordon, I am a sophomore civil engineering major- and while I do agree that there should be an available 4 year program available, I also said that it's good that there are both 4 and 5 year options available. I came to Northeastern wanting to be here for 5 years, with three co-ops, and nothing less. From talking to friends from other schools and giving campus tours, I have noticed that some people are turned off by a 5 year program but I did not say "most" people. This is especially due to the fact that they were unaware that most students attend Northeastern for 5 years. I did not even mention graduate school- don't even know where that came from.

Just wanted to make that clear.

Christian
Fri Dec 11 2009 16:26
Apparently those who disagree with this decision need to read over the article and read what the university is saying before they start hyperventilating. No one is saying anything about getting rid of the Co-op program.

Note the second line. "Starting in September, students will have a new option of doing a pre-structured four-year program with TWO FULL CO-OPS." (My emphasis)

I think this is a great idea. What the university is essentially saying is that you can finish your schoolwork in a shorter time than within 5 years, NOT that we should get rid of co-op. Do I think I could have done 2 co-ops and my degree in 4 years? Of course. Do I wish I did it in four years? You bet. I graduated in an awful job market, and shortening my time at university would have gotten me out in the world sooner to start a career.

Most students waste time at university, by switching majors, taking classes they don't need to, taking the summer off, and not taking a lot of classes each semester.

CAS Faculty member
Fri Dec 11 2009 12:02
Understand that within 5 years there will be NO co-op at Northeastern University - period. Auon knows that to do away with it outright would cause far too many political problems that even he cannot handle. While he has never resisted putting his foot in his own mouth and bulldozing his way through decisions, even HE can't pull this one off. So, here is how you do it - something he started day 1. Start creating so many options to co-op that you essentially "build it out" of the University. You artificially diminish the demand for it. All the while, you change the "profile" of the typical student who at the point of admission already indicates they are not interested in co-op. After you get these pieces of the puzzle in place, you then justify doing away with it by saying, "See, there just was no market for it anymore." Understand full well this is a deliberate and intentional process. This arrogant snob is trying to make NU more like USC. This is such a shame. This WAS and could continue to be what makes NU unique and special in the world of education. To the anonymous poster who indicated this is because of the changing economy - know there is no shortage of good students willing and able to come to NU. The acceptance rate of student is in the low 30%. Again, Auon will create the perception this is too keep up with the changing marketplace. In reality, this was always his intent since day 1 taking this job. While doing this he has managed to increase his salary by an obscene amount all the while getting a free house on Beacon Hill. Guess what students; it is all of you who are paying for this. I am sure he is thankful to you all. While you are still paying off your student loads 30 years from now (quite literally), Auon will be long gone living fat on the cow, only after nearly bringing NU to its knees. Now that is leadership!
Your name
Fri Dec 11 2009 08:22
Another reason to transfer out of here.
Anonymous
Fri Dec 11 2009 00:24
I don't know why people are so afraid of change. It's called we are living in a recession and the administration is being smart by promoting BOTH a more cost effective four year program and a five year program so as to attract more students. As someone who elected to do 2 co-ops and graduate in 4 years, I think this is a perfectly reasonable addition (not that it was never an option to begin with). Many students want to graduate in 4 years like their peers. I am certainly as big a critic of Aoun and the administration as any other aware student/alumn; however, they are making very informed and calculated changes to the school in order to keep up with the competition because let's face it, as much as we'd like them not to be, colleges are essentially businesses and thus need to appeal to their audience. Since my freshman year at NU, there have been so many positive changes (and some arguably negative changes) both cosmetically to the campus and to the school's academics. And let's face it, numbers don't lie; just look at how much applicants to the school has increased and yes also our rise in the rankings. I think people need to learn more about the changes occurring and realize that perhaps they're going to benefit the university in the long run.
AR Class of 88
Thu Dec 10 2009 23:38
I agree with the Univ. of Cincy co-op chief in that more co-op is key. I did my best work on co-op in my last period because I had more experience and education to use. And the four-year idea as a way to ease the path to grad school is empty. I went to grad school, and I could afford it only because I made enough at NU on co-op that I graduated in the black and could borrow to get my master's without drowning in debt. This 4-year plan turns my NU degree into a commodity, not an asset.
Chris
Thu Dec 10 2009 21:44
Search: "Save NU" on facebook.... in depth discussion can be found there.
cpatel
Thu Dec 10 2009 16:43
4th Year Junior: "students will have a new option of doing a pre-structured four-year program with two full co-ops. " Its an OPTION. I.e., 5 year will still exist for now.
Informed
Thu Dec 10 2009 16:23
This is just a continuation of a process and program already in place.
JC Class of 1972
Thu Dec 10 2009 15:36
Wait until the Alumni Donations stop coming
4th year Junior
Thu Dec 10 2009 14:05
I have spoken to many people and have yet to hear someone who thinks this is a good idea. Way to get us on the road to eliminating what makes Northeastern stand out from the competition.
Your name
Thu Dec 10 2009 13:47
Nor me. Not sure who the people are that wanted this. As far as I can tell, this is not a popular decision.
'09 Alum
Thu Dec 10 2009 12:39
Bring back Freeland.
Hammer K
Thu Dec 10 2009 10:40
As soon as I determine who to write a letter to, I will do so, and convince many others to write one as well.
This change is insulting me in many ways. First it undermines the reason why NU stands out agaist all schools, the only reason I came to NU was for Co-op.
Change the program and you will lose people and quality.

Good luck NU, you receive no support of this change from me.







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